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Dec. 5th, 2009 @ 12:01 am Null Hypothesis, John/Rodney, 13+
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Title: Null Hypothesis
Contains: Kissing
Words: 2052
Author's Notes: No clue what this is or where it came from. Exhaustion probably. But I owe lavvyan boykissing, and this is it.

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From:theeverdream
Date:December 5th, 2009 10:36 am (UTC)
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Wow. I can totally see this. It's so them... Rodney testing theories, John just stuffing in all his emotions....

Very, very enjoyable read.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 05:37 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! I just wanted to write them kissing, and John was not cooperating... he can be so stubborn sometimes.
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From:fyrefly101
Date:December 5th, 2009 10:39 am (UTC)
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Ah hahahahaha.

Love it :)
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 05:37 pm (UTC)
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Thank you, sweetheart. I like it too. :D
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From:spuffyduds
Date:December 5th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
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Oh that's adorable and still somehow fraught. Nice.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! I can't seem to write them without their piles of baggage...
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From:bibliokat
Date:December 5th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
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I love anything that makes me go Ohhhhh, boys! Which you did, very nicely. Squeee!
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! :D
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From:incidental_fire
Date:December 5th, 2009 07:18 pm (UTC)
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Marvelous. And so much what I could see happening. Silly boys.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:17 pm (UTC)
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Yay! Thank you!
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From:taste_is_sweet
Date:December 5th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
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Rodney would definitely gone to find Ronon, too! Then come bounding back all excited and smug. "Look! It worked!" Hee.

Great story. It felt very much like it could happen this way.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! I wanted to write some uncomplicated fic, but it seems like I'm just not destined for that.

Oh, and by the way, I've been thinking of you lately - I've started on my first McKeller fix-it fic. Don't know when I'll have the time to finish it, but it's there, and will be done eventually, and definitely dedicated to you.
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From:taste_is_sweet
Date:December 6th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
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You've been thinking of me? What a lovely thing to hear. Thank you. :D

I'm thrilled I'm getting a dedication, too! (Wow!), but just the fact that you're writing fix-it McKeller fic is wonderful! Whoo!
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From:michelel72
Date:December 5th, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
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Your Rodney is the funniest thing ever here. "It's win-win!" He'll just go find Ronon! ♥ And poor repressed John, so stubborn; he should realize that trying to stop the Rodney steamroller just isn't going to happen!
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
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Hee, thanks! I do love Rodney - he's such a great combination of stubborn and oblivious.
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From:kathana_grey
Date:December 5th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
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That's so them! The reactions, the arguments... Perfect, thank you for sharing this fic.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 5th, 2009 09:27 pm (UTC)
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Thank you for reading and leaving such a sweet comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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From:melagan
Date:December 5th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
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*big, wide, grin*
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
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:D

Thank you!
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From:onlystarchild
Date:December 6th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
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This is such a lovely little fic and a very enjoyable read. :) Well done!
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
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Thank you very much!
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From:goddess47
Date:December 6th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
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Oh, boyz...... John not wanting to mess this up and Rodney being.... Rodney....

And... boykissing! Eeeeeee....
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
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Hee, thank you!
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! I'm glad that came across - I find that 'sweet' and 'John and Rodney' do not always cross paths in my writing.
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From:kathgrr
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
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aww.. poor John... faced with stubborn Rodney damn determined to test his new found playground...
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
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I know! His life is so hard! :D
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From:lavvyan
Date:December 6th, 2009 12:30 pm (UTC)
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Oh, this is so nifty! Rodney realising John's in love with him without needing to be hit over the head with it, and the let's-just-ignore-it approach not working at all, and kissing! And John's reactions to it all, which were just so adorably real.

Thank you so much! *squishes*
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC)
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*snuggles*

Yeah, there's never just simply kissing with them, they always have to make it hard on me. Only for you, sweetheart. Only for you. ♥
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From:ceares
Date:December 6th, 2009 06:14 pm (UTC)
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I'm torn between finding this funny and adorably Rodney or bittersweet and achy and totally John. I loved it either way, but it's this weird Sliding Doors type story in my head now.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 6th, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
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That's why I wrote it in both POVs - I couldn't decide which way to go. Glad you liked it!
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From:bluespirit_star
Date:December 7th, 2009 05:37 pm (UTC)
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Oh, very nice!
Poor John having Rodney steam-rollering in there like that - though it did work out for the best in the end. *g*
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 8th, 2009 06:38 am (UTC)
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I know, John's life is so hard!
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From:danceswithgary
Date:December 7th, 2009 10:32 pm (UTC)
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John never had a chance - and isn't he lucky? :-D
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 8th, 2009 06:39 am (UTC)
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He is one lucky guy! :D
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From:winter_elf
Date:December 8th, 2009 06:22 am (UTC)
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OH Rodney! I love his little complaints to John not kissing him back then bringing up competition to get John on track :)
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 8th, 2009 06:39 am (UTC)
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:D

I'm glad you liked it. Thank you!
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From:esteefee
Date:December 8th, 2009 10:06 am (UTC)
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Hee! How much do I love that Rodney charges in with his conclusion but with NO CLUE about what will happen when he does? He just...he has this fire of discovery! And oops! Consequences! And then comes charging *back* upon further reflection. And I love John's "So can I," because of course he's been dealing just fine. But I admit this gave me a little twinge: "You've never heard of keeping up appearances?" because John admitting to *marrying* simply for appearances? Uh, that would make him a real jerk, sorry, I just don't see him that way, or toying with women rather than having an honest attraction (not to mention it would be pointless with Teer when there was no one around to see it), but man, this whole thing was just so charming with Rodney's trial run kiss schematics and John *not even trying* (you did a fantastic job of keeping us right on the edge there of anticipation, totally masterful) and John not wanting to *know* ultimately, too scared to know, or push him, but then finally the *kissing*.

Oh, lovely.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 8th, 2009 01:13 pm (UTC)
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Hee, thank you! I'm glad that most of it rang true for you.

And you know, I don't really have a problem with keeeping up appearances - even to the point of getting married (which I really, really see John doing, because I can imagine his life in the military (as a gay man) could be hell without some sort of badge of honor like that).

I've been that woman (for more than one guy), and I didn't mind. I love them and they love me, just not in that way, and if I am affording them some sort of protection, I have no problem with it at all. One of the guys is still part of my family - I call him my brother now, but he was my 'Domestic Partner' for a couple of years. And seeing John interact with Nancy in Outcast? I can totally buy that she'd do that for him. I could even imagine it might have been a business arrangement between them.

So, anyway. I think I may have a slightly different take on that than most people. :)
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From:esteefee
Date:December 8th, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
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That's so cool that you did that. And with consent it's awesome. Definitely you would have a different take in general, and a very interesting perspective. (Ooh, you should totally write an AU where John has a 'wife' and Rodney is mopey. :))))

But in Outcast, the dialog about their divorce made it seem to be of a real marriage, not a convenience or business arrangement. ? And that doesn't explain his toying with Teer when it wouldn't do his appearances any good.

I guess for me it comes down to explaining away his uninhibited kiss with Teyla or his romance with Chaya (that really seemed like honest attraction to me on the pier) as a beard thing doesn't really fit my view of what he would do. John is private, but not very deceptive. If that makes sense.

I should totally write a meta on this because you've really got me thinking. Sorry if I munged up your comments. I've been all thinky lately.
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 9th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
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No worries! I don't mind thinky in my comments!

I think part of the difference here is that I don't have one John Sheppard. I'm not one of those writers whose John Sheppard (or Rodney McKay or anyone else, for that matter) has the exact same backstory every time. This John is gay, but I would say most of mine aren't. I don't remember the exact details of all of those bits of canon, but I think, honestly, if I went back and watched the scenes with those women, I could read them as John keeping up appearances. I don't normally, but I think it's a valid reading. *shrug* I like having more than one way to read canon.
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From:esteefee
Date:December 9th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
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That's a really good point. It would get pretty damned boring to read it the same way every time. And I don't think I do in my stories; I play on variety some. Anyway, I wasn't trying to say John couldn't be gay by the time this story happens (I think it's possible to swing more strongly gay than bi and vice versa at different times in your life.) I was just squinting about the appearances thing because with Teer, e.g., who's to impress? John's with her for six months and for all he knows he's been abandoned...and out of the military. He might as well just have found himself a strapping woodcutter. :)

(LJ is not sending notifications at all I think. I'm gonna go mess with my settings and see if that helps.)

Edited at 2009-12-09 03:11 am (UTC)
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 9th, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
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Well, for this story (and only this story, because I pretty much see John as bi or (weirdly, I know) straight), I would say he did it with Teer because it's ingrained from the military and she's willing and kinda pushy about it. I think when I see John as gay, I seem him close to asexual - because it can't be easy, and he's got enough risk in his life, and he wouldn't go *looking* for a guy. It's one of the reasons he could make it two years being in love with Rodney and Rodney not notice (in addition to Rodney's amazing obliviousness). But, like I said, for this story only.

Ha - that sounds like a TV promotion: For one day only, sale on Foreman Grills!

Notifications are super-slow, LJ posted about it on news or something. They're working through a backlog. They'll get through eventually. No worries - there's no time limits on this kind of discussion. :D
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From:esteefee
Date:December 10th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
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Naw, not weird. I can totally see him as straight. Or bi. Or gay. Depends on context. But it does seem, doesn't it, like he thinks other things are really much more important most of the time. Or maybe like he'd prefer to live in his head, because things have gone disastrously for him when he's taken it further outside. (e.g., his marriage, or poor Vegas!John and the female Holland.) This is in part because the writers preferred a tragic figger of a man, but also because they neglected personal plotlines for him. Such as the aborted thread with Teyla that we get pieces of in Sunday and in Search and Rescue. It's all safer in his head and in dreams. He can fantasize about Rodney and it's enough to keep him going but not enough to get in the way.

I really enjoyed how you traced that out, and how unwilling he was to let go of that, like he'd prefer it to the real thing, because he feared pushing it would destroy the equilibrium between them and he wouldn't even be left with the friendship.
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From:mashimero
Date:December 10th, 2009 01:05 am (UTC)
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I really liked this! It's so them. ♥
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 10th, 2009 05:18 am (UTC)
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Thank you!
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From:semielliptical
Date:December 13th, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)
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Oh, I love the way Rodney figures things out one step at a time - one day, defining John's feelings; another day, ready to move on to kissing!
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From:kisahawklin
Date:December 13th, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
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Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!